tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2481549185308465110.post2648931974995351744..comments2024-03-08T04:06:20.301-05:00Comments on TrustMovies: Claude Lanzmann's documentary on Benjamin Murmelstein, THE LAST OF THE UNJUST, opens TrustMovieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01130460547029155342noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2481549185308465110.post-14015828009289738582014-02-11T20:16:46.106-05:002014-02-11T20:16:46.106-05:00Hi, again Livia-- And not to worry. Your English i...Hi, again Livia-- And not to worry. Your English is a lot better than my German (or any other language besides English). So no need to apologize.<br /><br />What you say does sound convincing, and, yes, we do need to know more but because all these things are so far in the past and can no longer be fully documented, I'm afraid that we shall never know. Why wasn't Murmelstein invited to the Eichmann trial? Most likely because of the strong feelings against him in Israel, which I view as a country that tends to make its choices and then try to enforce a group mandate for those choices.<br /><br />I must say that I did not pick up on Lanzmann's aversion to Murmelstein. But you certainly did, which makes me wonder if others have, too?<br /><br />We tend to punish those who are forced by others to make horrible, no-win choices. Which I guess is the case with Murmelstein. He'd have been wrong no matter what choice he made. But there are degrees of "wrongness," and that's where the meat of this matter lies.TrustMovieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01130460547029155342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2481549185308465110.post-86545980343384323952014-02-11T15:30:43.525-05:002014-02-11T15:30:43.525-05:00James, you are absolutely right. I also wanted to ...James, you are absolutely right. I also wanted to know more about the facts. It was impossible. Lanzmann 's aversion to Murmelstein was so obvious that he fail to approach the veracity of the events at that time. I have read and seen seminars on that case. I do not know if you speak German (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzINy_XsOOw.), but this conference is very interesting. Nobody can imagine what it mean to fight for life under a regime of extermination, where murder was the daily bread. Those who must be condemned are the millions that allowed this barbarism and the hundreds of Nazi collaborators that after the war returned to power etcetc and etc..... Murmelstein for me was, as stated by Prof. Ehrlich, another victim of this barbaric and did what he could under those circumstances. I think despite the condemnation he received from his community, he never bowed to the Nazis by trying to save his community at any price, even to involve his family under these horrible conditions. Harendt, a well-known Jews philosophy defended the Nazi Heidegger for example until the end, a matter which is unacceptable within an ethical framework and permitted herself to condemn the “aelteste Judenrat”?!. Maybe Murmelstein was as a person not friendly , not nice, not the fairest , but according to studies of prof. Ehrlich, who did very serious research and interviewed him in 1977 , never put himself first, was always correct in his policy of forced emigration, which saved hundred thousand in Austria. He never gave lists, because Eichmann and the Germans possessed the Jews census from Austria that had been done in order to eliminate all of them. This lists were sent direct from Berlin to Theresienstadt . My question is why Murmelstein was not invited to the Eichman trail?....what was behind it?.. We will never know, history and facts are so manipulated.<br />Sorry my English. <br /> <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzINy_XsOOwJamas, <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557314311602314842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2481549185308465110.post-81688846806441997012014-02-10T00:18:38.279-05:002014-02-10T00:18:38.279-05:00Thanks for commenting, Livia. But I am not sure we...Thanks for commenting, Livia. But I am not sure we agree in our "take" on Murmelstein and Lanzmann. I found Lanzmann too easy on Murmelstein, while you seem to find him too harsh. I believe that Lanzmann does have, as you put it, both the deep knowledge of events and sensitivity to Murmelstein, but I still wanted more stringent questioning from him. Or maybe I have misunderstood your comment...?TrustMovieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01130460547029155342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2481549185308465110.post-61567572195779685262014-02-09T20:19:17.333-05:002014-02-09T20:19:17.333-05:00I totally agree with your analysis. I was in a kin...I totally agree with your analysis. I was in a kind of shock to see the interviewer Lanzmann. I have the impression that he did not have the historical perspective, nor the deep knowledge of the events. No sensitivity to a man like Murmelstein, who voluntarily lived during the Nazi hell to fulfill his duty to his community under inhumane circumstances. Many times I was ashamed for his treatment towards Mr. Murmelstein; he was crucial for me to understand more about the role of “Aelteste der Judenrat”. <br />LiviaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10557314311602314842noreply@blogger.com